I traveled to beautiful New Hampshire in April to visit Jason Van Nest and his Logic Building Systems studio. I had a great conversation with Jason and learned why his new company could bring needed change to the offsite construction industry.

Jason Van Nest

When it comes to innovation in architectural design and offsite construction, few names stand out as prominently as Jason Van Nest. With a keen eye for blending cutting-edge technology with sustainable building practices, Jason has carved out a niche in the industry that’s both forward-thinking and deeply rooted in practical application. His work not only pushes the boundaries of what’s possible but also challenges conventional norms, making him a leading voice in the conversation about the future of construction.

In this interview, I delve into Jason’s innovative Logic Building Systems. From his early days of architectural exploration to his current role as a thought leader in offsite construction, Jason shares insights that are as inspiring as they are informative. Whether you’re a seasoned professional or new to the field, his perspective offers valuable takeaways for anyone interested in the evolving landscape of modern construction.

Gary Fleisher: What inspired you to create Logic Building Systems, and how did you come up with the initial concept for this innovative approach to construction?

Jason Van Nest: Logic exists to commercialize years of research done at New York Tech’s Center for Offsite Construction.

I had been a consultant to the US modular industry for years, and seen smart friends and colleagues struggle to remain profitable using the techniques we call “Modular 1.0.” Unfortunately, our colleagues were forced to use a lot of “indoor construction” techniques to advance offsite construction, and the core benefits of manufacturing were still elusive.

Logic brings the practices of “Modular 2.0” to the US construction industry. We’re collaborating with the Center to introduce a standardized “coupler” that converts any dwelling unit into a home that can accept modular kitchens, bathrooms, and utility rooms. We are offer the industry’s first modules that plug-and-play with that coupler. Developers can buy a kitchen from a website, enjoy price transparency with an MSRP, and have tenants cooking dinner minutes after delivery! 

We know others will bring their own modules to interface with the standardized coupler – interoperability is the point! The US faces a worsening affordable housing crisis and evolving the industry to Modular 2.0 is how everyone can get more productive and build our way out of this challenge! 

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Gary: What were some of the biggest challenges you faced during the development of Logic Building Systems, and how did you overcome them?

Jason: In an industry where it takes an average of 23 subcontractors to deliver a home, the answer is always “collaboration.”

Here is a general industry and a company-specific challenge, there are many more we’re still working on!

The biggest general-industry challenge is the relative wariness toward offsite construction with the billion-dollar failures of Katerra, Veev, etc. Before 2021, more developers had the experimental stance of early adopters. Since then, everyone wants to be a second customer. Who can blame them?! 

Developers have grown more comfortable when they learn about Logic’s alliance-building stance — requiring us to partner, where these firms used to hire. We explain how developers can still tap all their same GCs and subs, not abandon whole project delivery models. Empowering all the customer’s own skills and relationships makes the difference.

A company-specific challenge was responding to customer’s request for price transparency. Developers are tired of bid surprises, change orders, and widening contingencies. We asked “Why cant we put an MSRP on our website, like car companies do?!” (By the way, today, every module now has one at the top of its project page.)

Again, the answer was collaboration. The products with an MSRP easily interface with other products. Early smartphones interface with power/data with a USB plug. US Toasters have a standard 3-prong cord. All today’s pod manufactures design this interface per project. We’re working with the Center to standardize an interface, which gives Logic the ability to skip most of the re-design, and offer unprecedented price transparency.

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Gary: Can you explain the core technology behind of Logic Building Systems and how it differentiates from other modular construction methods available in the market?

Jason: Logic’s core technology is working with people who are energetic, curious and engaged. Such smart people are always the engine that make innovation work, regardless of the industry.

I’m old enough to have put forward YCombinator and TechStars applications together for my teams’ software in the aughts. It look a lot of exploration to realize that software couldn’t cure the 100-year old means of production that hampers US construction.

I also hold US and international patents for construction assemblies. In design and construction, patents are easy to navigate around, and hard to enforce.

The key evolving our industry will be building company and customer relationships that make everyone more productive and profitable. 

That takes and open mind, energy to do exploratory work, and the willingness to keep showing up. 

Gary: How has of Logic Building Systems evolved since its inception, and what are some of the significant milestones you have achieved so far?

Jason: Like good all startups, Logic started as a long feasibility study. 

It took 18 months of interviews, research, reading, and re-starts. It wasn’t enough to ask, “What is holding US offsite construction back?” We need to know the answer to, “How have other industries addressed these challenges?” to know if we were on to something.

The first Senior Research Fellows at the Center for Offsite Construction were naturally the folks who had been heavily engaged in the study. They helped found the Center, define its charter projects, and fund the open-source efforts.

In many ways, starting Logic was “step six” after all that other groundwork had matured. 

We’re finalizing Logic’s functional and manufacturing prototypes in Q3 and Q4 of 2024, simply to complete the go-to market strategy we mapped a year ago. We’re having advanced first-customer talks now. 

Gary: What are your plans for Logic Building Systems, and how do you envision this technology impacting the construction industry in the next 5 to 10 years?

Logic’s goal is to drive down the cost of US affordable housing nationwide. 

In the short term, we are refining our supply chain, and module assembly processes, to quickly partner with other manufacturers and reach markets nationwide.

On the 5-10-year timescale, Logic will implement the entire scope and vision of the Center for Offsite Constructions “Modular 2.0” vision. We’ll offer interface products that empower builders with unimaginable interoperability. We’ll offer modular products that establish a new normal of price transparency. In doing so, we’ll help other modular companies offer whole product platforms, not just design services.

That effort lays the groundwork for Logic software to bring it all together. Designers will easily connect large-scale building products into a single site-specific building. Then order it with a fixed price, reliable timeline, reliable installers, and with the click of a button. 

We wake up every day to make this future happen ASAP. Anyone interested in joining the project should contact me at the Center or Logic. 

Gary: Jason, I want to thank you for your time and especially for letting us peek behind the scenes of what may become an integral part of the offsite construction industry in the next few years.

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I am genuinely excited to have this opportunity to interview Yudhisthir Gauli, a true pioneer in the field of autonomous industrial robotics. His extensive experience, innovative mindset, and remarkable contributions to the manufacturing sector make him an inspiring figure. I look forward to learning more about his groundbreaking work at Framebotix.

Yudhisthir Gauli

Yudhisthir Gauli, the founder and President of Framebotix, is a visionary in the world of autonomous industrial robotics. With several decades of experience in manufacturing and a portfolio of multiple patents, Gauli is recognized as a trailblazer in transforming how modern factories operate. His career has been dedicated to pioneering advancements that integrate cutting-edge efficiency and innovative practices into the manufacturing process, fundamentally reshaping the industry.

As a full-blood robotic entrepreneur, Gauli’s contributions have had a profound impact on the evolution of autonomous industrial robotics. His work focuses on optimizing manufacturing environments, allowing factories to operate with unprecedented levels of precision, speed, and flexibility. By developing and implementing autonomous solutions, Gauli has enabled the manufacturing sector to leap forward, enhancing productivity while reducing costs and errors.

Under his leadership, Framebotix has become a leader in integrating robotics into manufacturing, helping companies around the world adopt state-of-the-art automated systems. Gauli’s journey, marked by his relentless pursuit of innovation, offers invaluable insights into the future of manufacturing and the role of robotics in driving the next generation of industrial efficiency.

Thanks, Yudhisthir, for talking with me about all innovative ways you are working on with robotics.

Gary Fleisher, Offsite Innovators: Can you describe your journey and role at Framebotix? How has your vision shaped the company’s direction and its current standing in the offsite construction industry?

Yudhisthir Gauli, Founder/President: My journey at Framebotix as both CEO and CTO has been driven by a commitment to innovation and solving challenges in the offsite construction industry. Leveraging our decade-long experience in autonomous robots and factories, We have focused on revolutionizing home manufacturing to make custom homes both affordable and durable.

Our expertise in autonomous robotics supports various offsite applications, helping our customers achieve greater efficiency and precision. My vision has shaped Framebotix’s direction, driving us to create sustainable, high-quality manufacturing processes. By emphasizing natural materials and regional manufacturing, we’ve reduced costs, increased efficiency, and minimized environmental impact.

Gary: What are some of the most innovative technologies that Framebotix is currently utilizing in offsite construction? How are these technologies improving efficiency and productivity on construction sites?

Yudhisthir: At Framebotix, we’re utilizing cutting-edge technologies that are revolutionizing offsite construction. Our AI-powered autonomous robots handle all machining, assembly, and handling applications, capable of operating 24/7 to reduce cycle times, lower costs, and ensure precise quality.

We also use a data-driven High-Performance Volumetric Manufacturing management system that optimizes manufacturing in real-time, minimizing downtime and ensuring every part meets exact specifications. Additionally, we incorporate advanced materials like cold-formed steel and sustainably sourced wood to create durable, eco-friendly components.

These innovations streamline manufacturing, boost efficiency, and enhance productivity, resulting in faster project turnarounds and superior quality outcomes for our clients.

Gary: Could you share insights into any new robotic systems or technologies that Framebotix is currently developing? How do you foresee these advancements transforming the offsite construction landscape in the near future?

Yudhisthir: At Framebotix, we’re excited to be developing our 8th generation autonomous robotic systems, which we plan to complete by the end of this year. These cutting-edge systems are designed to further enhance precision and adaptability in offsite construction, handling complex tasks like advanced machining, intricate assembly, and seamless material handling with even greater efficiency and accuracy.

One of the standout features of this new generation is the integration of AI-driven decision-making capabilities. This allows our robots to learn and adapt to various construction environments, optimizing processes in real-time and minimizing the need for manual intervention.

We believe these advancements will significantly transform the offsite construction landscape. By enabling greater customization and faster production times, our 8th generation robots will help construct high-quality, affordable homes more efficiently, while also reducing waste and environmental impact. This will move us closer to fully automated, smart construction sites, meeting the growing demand for sustainable housing.

Gary: In what ways do you believe robotics and automation will revolutionize the offsite construction industry? What specific challenges do you think these technologies will address most effectively?

Yudhisthir: I believe robotics and automation are set to revolutionize the offsite construction industry by dramatically improving efficiency, precision, and scalability. These technologies will streamline the entire construction process, from machining and assembly to material handling, allowing for faster production times and reduced costs. One of the most significant impacts will be the ability to produce custom homes at scale, something that has been challenging with traditional methods.

Specific challenges that robotics and automation will address most effectively include the skilled labor shortage, which has been a major bottleneck in the industry. With autonomous robots, we can maintain high productivity levels 24/7, reducing the reliance on manual labor and minimizing delays. Additionally, these technologies will greatly enhance quality control, ensuring that every component is manufactured to exact specifications, which reduces waste and rework.

Robotics and automation will also help tackle sustainability challenges by optimizing resource use and reducing carbon emissions through more efficient processes and the use of eco-friendly materials. In summary, these advancements will make offsite construction more efficient, cost-effective, and sustainable, ultimately transforming how we build homes and other structures.

Gary: Looking ahead, what are your predictions for the future of robotics in offsite construction over the next decade? How is Framebotix positioning itself to be at the forefront of this evolution?

Yudhisthir: Looking ahead, I see robotics igniting a revolution in offsite construction over the next decade. Rather than a gradual evolution, we are on the brink of a transformative leap where AI-driven robotic systems will redefine how we build. These robots won’t just be more autonomous—they will be capable of learning and adapting to diverse construction environments in real-time, bringing unprecedented levels of customization, speed, and precision to the industry.

This revolution will lead to fully automated, smart construction sites where robots handle nearly every aspect of the process—from design implementation to final assembly—with minimal human intervention. This shift will drastically reduce costs, enhance quality, and make sustainable practices the industry norm.

At Framebotix, we are positioning ourselves at the forefront of this revolution. Our development of 8th-generation autonomous robotic systems, set to be completed by the end of this year, is a prime example of how we’re leading the charge. These advanced systems are engineered to tackle complex tasks with even greater precision and efficiency, directly addressing critical challenges like labor shortages, cost control, and sustainability.

In addition, our forward-looking manufacturing technology, incorporating closed-loop systems and comprehensive traceability, will further revolutionize the industry. These innovations will ensure that every aspect of production is monitored, optimized, and documented, delivering unparalleled quality and accountability.

By staying ahead of technological advancements and maintaining a sharp focus on customer needs, Framebotix is poised to lead the next wave of innovation in offsite construction, helping to shape a bold and transformative future for the industry.

Gary: What a unique insight into how robotics will help the future of offsite construction. Yudhisthir, thank you for talking with me about all the things you are working on.

Contact Yudhisthir Gauli: [email protected]

Framebotix website: https://framebotix.com/

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